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Accessible, Accountable, Attentive – Greg Griffith and Michael King

On today’s podcast, I am joined by Melissa Brown, the COO of Concierge Elite. Melissa is a veteran already in the entrepreneur space and is now paving the way in the remote team industry.

Today on The Level Up Leader Podcast, we’re thrilled to have Greg Griffith from King of Kings Church in Omaha, NE. Join us as Michael King asks him about how his leadership has enabled deep and meaningful change within his organization! 

Here’s a little about Greg:  

“Having grown up on the west coast, being raised by a mom who grew up in an orphanage, and a dad who was an ex-police officer, I learned very early on what it means to work hard and live with each day as a gift.

“Life is a series of choices that can change our trajectory. When I consider the choices made about me as an adopted child, my life could be so different…yet God had a greater plan and purpose.

“Learning over the past 45 years, the intentionality of relational building, of making each day count, and savoring the gifts of others and of life, has made me a relational leader, who simply seeks to see in others great potential.

“I wouldn’t say I have conquered all I set out to do, but I have figured out the purpose of life…and the potential of life.

“Together with my wife of 16 years, we have two girls – 15 and 10 – and are striving to make the most out of each day we have together.

“I love sports, reading, relaxing, binge tv watching, and technology. I hate running (jogging), but I do it to strive to reach 85. I’ve been a pastor at large churches for 19 years, and am an avid leadership learner. I love food and sharing my meals on social media.” – GG

Today, Greg challenges us to take our leadership up a notch by embracing three key traits – Accessibility, Accountability, and Attentiveness.

-By being accessible and making ourselves available to others, we can build strong relationships.
-By accepting accountability for both success and failure in all aspects of life, we are led to personal growth.
-By giving attentiveness, we are not only actively listening but also showing genuine care towards those around us.

What an empowering opportunity!

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Michael King 0:00
When it comes to being a leader, sometimes leadership doesn’t necessarily come easy to everybody. In fact, it is something that requires a lot of work. You might have heard me talk about this before. But when it comes to talent, there are people that are born with certain levels of natural talent. But it takes work to turn talent into skills. Well, Leadership isn’t anything different. It’s something that requires consistent work, consistent commitment in order to take everything to the next level. I want to talk to you today about three specific things that our guests brings to the table today. It’s the idea of being accessible, being attentive and being accountable. Welcome to the level up leader podcast. My name is Michael King. I’m an executive coach that works with high level leaders to making sure that they can clarify their vision and make sure that they have the right systems, strategies and structures in place to elevate their whole leadership experience in the impact of their life and the organizations that they serve. Today on the podcast, I’m joined by a good friend of mine, he is Pastor Greg Griffith from King of Kings church in Omaha, Nebraska. What I love about Greg is that he has an insatiable desire for teachability and impact with those around him you what you’ll notice here is that Greg was not born a natural leader. So everything that you’re going to hear him talk about today are things that he is personally committed to to make sure that he’s elevating his life into a place to where he can impact and influence the people in incredibly meaningful ways. But also make an impact in the organization that he serves and the people that are on his team. So please welcome pastor Greg Griffith to the level up leader podcast.

Pastor Greg Griffis from King of Kings, Omaha, Nebraska, welcome to the level up leader podcast.

Greg Griffith 1:50
Thanks, man, it’s so good to be with you. And I can’t wait for this. Thank you for inviting me.

Michael King 1:55
It’s such a privilege, man. It’s awesome when I get to rub shoulders and kind of cross paths with people that I feel like we’re from the same tribe, we look at things similarly, we have a lot of things in common. And so every mass lose, respect what you’re doing there your church and love your heart for people in leadership. Give it give me a little bit of the backstory and who you are, and what’s been going on.

Greg Griffith 2:14
Yeah, been a pastor for, gosh, 18 years, I guess now a little over 18 years and married have been married for 16 years and have two kids, two girls, which I absolutely love, a teenager who is 15, and just all about that, and and then a 10 year old and I get to coach her in basketball, which is a lot of fun as well. So matter of fact, later today, I’ll be hitting a court with her as well. So that’s always good. Been a lead pastor at churches, larger churches for 10 years now since 2012, was when I started as a lead pastor in a church. And I really, really just believe as a lead pastor, in just equipping, cheering and setting great vision for where that organization can go to make its maximum impact.

Michael King 3:08
I love that. Now, how long have you been in Omaha? Oh,

Greg Griffith 3:10
gosh, we got here in August of 2019. And usually when you’re called to a church, the goal is to actually grow the congregation on a Sunday morning. And I did something that no one’s done for a call for the first six months. We were doing fine. And then I went on March 20, and had zero people in church. So yeah, so I did the opposite due to COVID. So

Michael King 3:36
mass quarantine, and we get to blame it all on you.

Greg Griffith 3:40
Go, there you go. Oh my gosh. So

Michael King 3:44
so how things been on the on the kind of coming on the pseudo backside of the COVID thing? How are things been for you?

Greg Griffith 3:51
Yeah, actually, what I really say is, I’m not thankful for COVID. But I am really thankful for what God did through COVID. So coming on to that, it just gave us a time to take a moment and take a breath and reset as a family, especially moving to a new city. And so that was really, really good and really helpful for us. I also would say that, even for the congregation, like when you come into a new organization, you lead but man, you got to earn some chips, and it takes a long time to earn some chips. But the moment you go into crisis is the moment where you really show your leadership character and chops and you show who you are and you show what type of leadership you’ll have in the middle of crisis. And then also whether or not you’re willing to give the leadership back, coming out of crisis. And so I because of COVID I think my team learned about kind of what kind of leader I am stability, even keeled yet decisive when we needed to be decisive. And then and then coming back out of it getting back into collaborate If and that style of leadership, so it was really, really interesting. I would say the one challenge that was just hard was, you know, you’re trying to learn names trying to learn who your people are. And then they go away. Oh, yeah, just on a screen, right. And then when they come back, it’s have to just covered and it’s like, Okay, now, I can only know you by your eyes. So the name learning was hard. But also, you know, people were like, Yeah, but we didn’t get everyone back and all that. And I said, No, but that’s okay. Because when you learned who are those that are the regular, like they’re in, right, and now now it’s new. And it’s great. So. So yeah, so those were a couple of the things coming out of it and challenges from it.

Michael King 5:42
Have you found that you’ve been able to begin at a greater level of buy in from the people that are still with you?

Greg Griffith 5:48
Yeah, I think so. I think they saw that we didn’t, we didn’t stop and one of the things in church world and I would think maybe this would translate even in the business world. I think in church world, one of the things we continue to hear is there’s there’s kind of this, this mindset of like, oh, remember when our worship attendance pre COVID. And it was a much higher, and actually, I haven’t heard of any church that’s higher than they were pre COVID. Most churches are still less than what they had pre COVID. And I think one of the things that we did right away was we said, let’s not look and say, We got to get those people back. Do we want them to come back? Absolutely. Well, we said, here’s who we are now. And now let’s grow from there. And so, so I think one of the things buy in wise from our congregation was to see that we didn’t stop doing things. We didn’t stop vision. We didn’t we didn’t let COVID just kind of shut we were one of the few churches that said we’re going to do we had we had Easter still in 2020. At our church, as a drive thru, we went and rented a LED drive through screen. And we had we had it on a radio. And we said, No, this isn’t going to stop us proclaiming the gospel, we’re just going to find new and innovative ways to do it. So yeah, I think there was buy in.

Michael King 6:59
That’s wonderful. What are some things that you might be doing differently now, to create value for people to engage with you in person that you maybe you weren’t doing before?

Greg Griffith 7:09
Yeah, I think really, you know, when when our staff sees this, they’re gonna, they’re gonna laugh because I’ve been kind of beating this drum. I think coming out right now, I love to use this phrase. Caring is a new excellence. And what I mean by that is, excellence used to be about like, perfect production, you know, just making sure all these things, right. Because of where we’ve been the last three years, people just want to know they’re cared for. And and, and so one of the things we’ve really doubled down on is, how are we caring for people that they know that we know, but that they’re hurting, and we’re here so that we can help and, and that helped may not even be that we solve their hurt, but that they’re not alone in the middle of their hurt. And so that’s what we’re really doubling down on right now. That’s, that’s

Michael King 7:59
really cool. I love I love some of the dynamics to have, just as churches are starting to come back out of of COVID. You get to see people that are reconnecting and maybe haven’t seen each other in a pretty consistent cadence on a Sunday morning. It almost seems like you get it. Well, several churches that I’m working with our coaching, they’ve actually mentioned, it kind of feels like we have a brand new congregation on the other side of this. Right. Right. Yeah. Have you felt anything kind of similar to that? Oh, absolutely.

Greg Griffith 8:28
I think we were just talking about this. In that, you know, again, one, we’re not the size we were, we’re about 70% of of water size was on average weekly worship. But I would also say, of that 70% I would say probably 60 to 70% are new people. And so So yeah, so you just you know, you have an A new people that came and just said, we need more community connection, and we need when he got and so and so that so that’s uh, so yeah, I would say we’re definitely a new congregation. In our in our people. We’re even seeing this in our kids ministry. I would say our kids ministry is probably probably at 90% of pre COVID And I would say of that 90% You know, probably good 45% Are new kids. And so you’re just seeing seeing that happening a lot. So yeah, we’re definitely not the same congregation with the same people that

Michael King 9:29
you said. That caring is your new excellence.

Greg Griffith 9:34
Yep. Yep.

Michael King 9:36
I love that. When I say the statement, what do you think? So I’m gonna throw I’m gonna throw kind of a comparison on you. Do it. Credibility is the new charisma.

Greg Griffith 9:45
Yeah, for sure. I would I would agree wholeheartedly. Especially in in the, in the culture that we live in right now. Where you just don’t know really like, Can I trust this person? Is this person real? or is there something that is going to you know, we live in a Kancil culture at this moment. And so, so I like that because if I know someone is credible, and that they are who they are, especially when I meet them, not only upfront, but just on the street, that’s going to draw me to someone every day Craig Groeschel says that like this, people don’t want to follow someone who’s always right. They want to follow someone who’s always real. And I think that’s so true.

Michael King 10:27
I love that. That’s really good. So you threw over a couple of different ideas to talk about today. So I want to drill in on this on this on this this topic? Well, first of all, actually, before I go there, I’m gonna go ahead and and edit this part of it. When it comes to you, Greg Griffith, at some point in time, you decided you had to level up your leadership? Do you have a moment that you can think back to when you had an aha saying, Okay, I have to up my game here.

Greg Griffith 10:52
That’s that’s a that’s a good, a good question. You know, I think it was, it was probably, I would say it was probably around. Oh, January or so of 2020. Right around that timeframe. You know, I had been a senior leader for eight years or so. But I was probably way more into the weeds than I needed to be. And then when I got here, there’s a team that was here before me that I didn’t choose and where I was before I chose my entire team. So I was I was here with a team that I didn’t choose. And I had a moment where I realized I needed to actually let go, I didn’t need to know everything going on. I needed to set vision to encourage and cheer. But as far as implementation and strategy, I didn’t need to say how we’re doing everything. I was the guy who was designed to say why we’re doing what we’re doing. And I had to let that go. And I think the moment I did that, it actually released the cap of what our team can do, because it was no longer a stopgap of like, well, we got to check with Greg, what does Greg think? What would Greg want us to look like? And and so so that was a wrestling moment for me. I don’t, I wouldn’t say I still got it perfectly right. Sometimes I get into the weeds, and I’m like, have we thought about this, but I definitely have moved to more of a, hey, here’s my thought, take it, run with it. But what and whatever you decide, I’m going to cheer it on, and we’re going to make it work, I’m gonna help you win.

Michael King 12:33
I’ve seen this play out multiple different times in that, in that especially, you’d use the word collaboration before earlier. I love collaboration, I think it’s a superpower of any team that’s going to win, especially in Kingdom work, church work, feel like man, you have to be able to collaborate and be able to trust high levels of trust and empowerment in order for to make it work. Where were organizations get it wrong, whether your church or whether you’re in business, as a lot of times people don’t know, the spaces to invite collaboration into. And let me be clear about this is that is that I think sometimes your team members may actually want to collaborate with what the vision actually is. And that’s not collaborative space. Right? collaborative space exists with how we make the mission to happen, correct? How we make the vision happen. So when I say that, do you any reflections on that? Do you have any alignment with that?

Greg Griffith 13:14
Yeah. And that’s so true. I think I think you’re absolutely right, right. This is Simon Simon Sinek says golden circle, right, your vision is the why. And that really, is going to have very few people speaking into that. Because you got to be really clear on what the vision is. And in that vision needs to be something that is lasting through a cycle right and lasting through as Lencioni talks about his working genius, right lasting all the way from wonder all the way down to tenacity. And so you’ve got to that’s absolutely true, your how and your what, that’s where your collaboration circles get larger, right? Your How is going to be a little bit larger of a table collaborating, how are we going to do this, and then your what? What is happening, that’s going to be even larger, and that’s where your collaboration actually makes it gold. Because now it’s taking the vision and you’ve got more people speaking into this same vision, and going even greater. And then what’s good, what gets out is is more options. And that’s the thing that I think people get stuck with with those things is it’s like to talk about the vision. And then it’s like a single bullet, right and, or a cannonball. And sometimes you really want to fire that shotgun approach with the what? Because people are used to options. And so they need to be able to have options that comes from a single bullet. Right. So I like it. I agree wholeheartedly with what you’re saying. Yeah. And

Michael King 14:33
what I love about what you said too, is because I think sometimes when we forget about this, when we forget about inviting people into that space is that I think sometimes I’ve done this I’ve made this mistake is that I think that I know the people that I’m collaborating with and so I put them into predestined boxes, you know, like exp expectations that I think they’re going to expect this, you know, behave this way bring this to the table. But true collaborative allows the wonder to open up and for somebody to bring something to say tables where it’s like, oh, man, I had no idea. You were great at that, you know, so you know, let’s go. That’s great. Let me throw one more thing at you before I ask you, your, your big level up leader tip, right? Because when we talk about collaboration, especially you being the chief visionary officer of the, of your organization of your church, which, by the way that has weight to it, doesn’t it? Yeah. It’s all on you, man. But, but I love this. So when we start to empower people, you know, like, you can’t really empower people unless you have your systems and your strategies locked in. Right? And your structures locked in clearly clearly defined. But we think about the statement is that culture is the is the the fuel that moves your systems and strategies into into peak performance. Yep,

Greg Griffith 15:51
yep. Absolutely. Right. I don’t know who said it, right. So that culture eats strategy for breakfast at so true, right? If you don’t have a good culture, I don’t care what your vision is, I don’t care what your product is, I don’t care what you’re doing. It’s not going to be as great. It can’t do well, maybe. But will it have sticking in longevity? Definitely not I love I think Carrie Neuhoff says it right? People don’t quit jobs, they quit their managers, people culture. And really, too, if you’ve got an unhealthy culture, and this is so true, if you have an unhealthy culture, you will attract unhealthy people. And if you have a healthy culture, unhealthy people will want to get out. Right. So. So it’s I mean, and so your culture really matters. And, and I actually do think that as, as whoever is your top person, it is culture is their job. And it let it rest solely with them. And that means sometimes leaning into awkward when someone is is not getting culture, that means having the candid and careful conversation. And I and I know some will disagree with me on this, but but I just I just think this is something you have to own, it doesn’t matter what level of person is at, you have the responsibility to talk to them. So. So if I have a part time staff member, who is like not part of our culture, of of caring, generosity, of love, of living out the life of Jesus, you know, talking, they’re gossiping, they’re showing up as a job, they’re talking about how they hated their social medias, how they hate it, let’s say that they’re just like a part time weekend, you know, set up tear down person, right? By as the lead pastor, right, I still need to have a conversation with them and go, Hey, Jimmy, that that’s just not who we are. Like, you know, I can’t pass that down. Now, that needs to be reinforced by their manager by other people. But I also need to be the guy who’s also saying, Hey, Jimmy, that’s just not who we are. And because that’s how I believe how deeply culture has to be owned, and be good and owned by by your visionary, your leader.

Michael King 18:02
It’s so true. And specifically, depending on the lifecycle of the leader, or where they’re at in their tenure of leadership within an organization, the things that happen on day one of an assignment is that you’re immediately the chief visionary officer of the organization, but you’re also the chief culture officer of the community of the organization. So which means that you better start working on your external communication strategy, just as much as you’re working on your internal communication strategy. Leaders that don’t lock in, what they’re talking about how often they’re talking about it, the things that they’re about the things that they’re against, the things that they want to see happen, what the vision is, what the mission values, behaviors, etc. If those things aren’t developed into a strategic cadence of communication internally, the culture isn’t going to spread. No, right? Nothing’s gonna happen.

Greg Griffith 18:45
And I really believe too, that culture has got to be just inside of you, right. So like, like, if I were to say, I want I want us to build a culture where we’re like, we are to the grind, you know, show up at 8am, you’re not leaving till 8pm. And you’re gonna have every single list done for that day. And we’re gonna see, and I want to see an ROI. And every call you have, and I want to see billing on every, you know, I want to know time studies. Like, that’s not me, I can’t, so I can’t even I can’t even fathom creating that culture or living that culture out. So your culture is going to come from who you are. And that’s so important on there. And so, so I would say, own it. Now, you have to realize, like, are you in the right space, I would be the worst, absolute worst, CFO of an accounting firm. So I just, I’m not going to be good at like, I can’t, I can’t lead that culture or CEO of an accounting firm. I can’t lead that culture. So So I shouldn’t be in that industry. And so if you’re kind of going, Hey, our industry is an industry where we’re just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, but in me, I’m like, Let’s go have you know, lunch at Top Golf here or whatever. Just know your industry and know where you’re at to as well because that’s going to be an important part. But that culture really does have to come from your personality.

Michael King 20:00
Does, you might have heard me say this before. But here’s, here’s just kind of like the bottom line on it is that the things that we make most visible are the things that we end up replicating. Amen. In the church context, we can get down to simple things. Like, for example, you put a horrible guitar player on your stage on a Sunday morning, guess what you’re going to attract? Right, horrible guitar players? Yeah, absolutely. But also, the same thing is like the character that you put into your staff, like if you if you decide that you’re gonna take a shortcut when it comes to the character of your youth pastor, it’s gonna compromise the whole organization. So but also to there’s, there’s, there’s some safety in that too, right? So when I’m putting in a guy that’s got man great chemistry on the team, high levels of character, really good competency. He’s educated, he really understands the things that we’re looking for in a specific staff. Well, if he cares about those things, then you know that they’re probably going to try to attract that or they’re going to expect those things from the leaders that they serve with. Right. Yeah, amen. So good. All right. So just kind of drilling down here. So your level of leadership that you submitted with this idea of accessible, accountable and attentive, can you break that down for me?

Greg Griffith 20:58
Yeah. So hey, I think every leader has to be accessible. And so I have an open door policy. And it’s not it’s not even a policy, it is just the reality that my door is open. I don’t, if I’m the only one in the office in my office, my doors not closed. And that’s intentional. I want people to know that they can they can access me at at any time, and then then accountable. I don’t get everything right. And then our team has the ability, and anyone has the ability to say, Hey, you, I didn’t I didn’t get this, you didn’t get this right. And I need to be open to that feedback. And then I also need to see, we have we have a board member now. He emailed me after a message and he just said, I don’t think you got this part. Right. And, and I on a theological part, and, and he was right in the in the reality of I wasn’t able to explain it all, because I had a certain amount of time. So I went back and said, Hey, you’re totally right. Like, here’s, here’s where I could have gone with that. And I probably didn’t tighten that up as well as I could have. And maybe should have. And then I said to him, I love what you’re doing, will you serve on our board? And he’s like, Wait, like, I was nervous to even send you an email. And now you want me on the board? And I said, exactly. I want people that are going to hold me accountable. And and people who are willing to say, who I don’t know about this, let’s let’s talk this through. And so, so that accountability, right, accessible? Give me the third one again, what was it

Michael King 22:28
that you had your three, accessible, accountable and

Greg Griffith 22:32
attentive and then and then the last one, right is like being present. I mean, you’ve got to be attentive to your people. And you’ve got to see. And I think it’s even willing to care enough about them to be able to say, Hey, you don’t Okay, like something seems off right? Or, or even attentive of like, if someone comes up to talk to me, I gotta put my phone down. If I’m in a meeting, my phone needs to be down. And by the way, let me just say this, I don’t always get that, right. But I have because I have the accessible and I have the Accountable part. This is so important. Two weeks ago, I was in a meeting, and I had to get some workout and I’m in a meeting. And one of our one of our team members was talking and I was I worked the whole time. I never looked up all that I had a person immediately following the meeting, shoot me a text said, Hey, can you stop by see me, I stopped by and, and she said, you know, they kept looking at you to see what you were thinking, but you never looked up from your computer? And I said, Yeah, I was like that, that must have felt really bad for them. And I said, thank you to her. And I immediately went to that person. I said, I was a bad teammate right there. I said, I never looked up. For my meeting. I said, I am so sorry. I totally devalued you. And he looked at me, he goes, I forgive you. And I said, Thank you so much. I mean, it totally hurt him. And so I needed that. And that’s the importance of being attentive in that spot. Because if you’re in a room, people want you there purposely. So, so again, be about the people. Yeah.

Michael King 24:07
I love that. And I’ve, I’ve, I’ve made that mistake. You know, a million times. I’ve been in rooms because I speak to be honest with you like it is one of those things where I can tell the culture of an organization by when I’m in the room by the number of eyes that I have connected. My one of my mentors used to do this all the time, by the way, so they walk into a room, and they would immediately like, almost like order the room to make sure they had eye contact with him before he’d actually started doing his presentation. I never really necessarily I saw the value in that I understand exactly why he was doing it because he’d been doing this for a long time. But um, but yeah, I get that I feel that as well. I like what you shared about about accessible by the way. I think proximity. I think proximity is a privilege but it’s absolutely necessary in order for you to really lead culture. That’s something that’s been a little bit interesting in the in, sometimes in the church space, but more more a lot in some of the businesses that I’m Working with to where the work from home environment now has just skyrocketed. Yep. Yep. Accessibility is becoming harder.

Greg Griffith 25:07
Yeah, it is. It just means we have to be more intentional, right? So, so for me, like a couple of things that I would say is if you if you have a remote team, they’re still local, but they’re remote. So here’s one thing a leader can easily do is says, hey, hey, every every Wednesday, just intentionally, in their mind, they say, I’m going to have lunch with one of my remote team members, and just say, hey, at noon, let’s go grab a lunch, right brown bag it or something like that. So so that that’s there. That’s a really important piece there with. For me in my office, one of the things I think our teams are getting used to is, is that I just pop into any office or cube anytime of the day and just go, Hey, how’s it going? What’s going on? Right? Like, just opening that moment. There’s other ways to do it. We start every day with a stand up, that I make sure I’m at. And that stand up is two things. First, what are you trying to accomplish that day? And you can do this remotely? This can be done on Zoom? What are you trying to accomplish that day? And then the second one is, I have a question. Sometimes the question is serious, it will be sometimes spiritual. Sometimes it’s fun, like, yesterday’s question was, if you would never eat at one fast food place again. What would it be? Mine subway, I just feel like it’s E. Coli between bread. So I agree to Subway. I’d rather starve and die than is some sandwich from Subway. I love Jimmy John’s. But But yeah, so you know what I mean? So those are kind of fun things that people get and get in. So those are ways you can do proximity to where it’s just on veiling the the skin of the onion a little bit getting closer to you.

Michael King 26:43
Speaking of food, when are you going to have me on you and Johnny’s food? Lunch excursions?

Greg Griffith 26:48
Come on? Yeah, we’ll get that scheduled. Yeah, it’s super hard for Johnny and I to do that. But yeah, we’ll get that in there. For sure. I crack. Yes,

Michael King 26:56
I cracked the those things crack me up, man. They’re so good. They’re so fun. So okay, so I’m gonna, I’m gonna throw you something on this just kind of just closing out here. So the second thing that you talked about was being accountable. I think one of the things, especially pastors deal with this. And so maybe I want to talk to this directly to a pastor friend, is that there’s difference between somebody approaching you with a spirit of accountability versus approaching you with a spirit of critical thinking? Sure. And I’m assuming based on the story that you gave, that there was relational context with the person that gave you that that feedback regarding just theology and boy thought theology, church would be so easy if we didn’t have source material. Right? Right. Just totally kidding. But no, but there’s, there’s a big deal on that. Right. So there’s some things to where it’s just like, for those that are listening, accountability is not for strangers. Right. Right. And so talk to me a little bit about maybe how you separate that. And sometimes because you you’re leading a crowd, you’re leading a community, and you’re leading some core people that you’ve invited into accountability relationships. So how do you how do you make it all work?

Greg Griffith 28:01
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I think I think what you’re talking about is a really important part of this, in the reality of that, right. So that first email wasn’t necessarily accountability, as much as it was a critical thinking, but but there was vulnerability on on that person’s part. Now, that invited them into a pretty prominent role of accountability. I mean, at this point, like, my board is my boss. That’s who I direct report to. And so so then I have high accountability with them. To the to the nth degree. I think, I think when we look at accountability, right, there’s a big difference between an accountability comes into, I need to be held accountable to my Yes, is my Yes. And to make sure that I’m also leading and doing things in the way that are uplifting the culture that I’m trying to build. And so I need people to help me because I’m fallible. And so it’s really important for them to have that. Now, it doesn’t mean that they’re always right, right. Sometimes they may say something, and I go, Yeah, that’s a really good point. But But here’s, here’s what I really need to do. Now, if I’m dead wrong, I just need to like say, yeah, and own that and move forward on it. I think the other piece that’s really important with accountability is is being able, if I’m going to hold you accountable, then I also need to be held accountable. And being able to say that, being able to say that we do have the ability to receive that accountability and own where we’ve messed and where we where we’ve missed. I remember reading some stuff or listening to a thing by Patrick Lencioni. Where where, you know, they did kind of a 360 survey with a CEO and his team. And they asked the CEO first to say, hey, how where have you missed on this? And he said, I don’t think I have Alright, so we have no ability to be vulnerable. And then to a tee every pair wasn’t around that table said, yeah, here’s why we’re not getting it. He he got defensive. And so so it just didn’t I mean, let’s talk about this because it didn’t work because he wasn’t able to receive that. And what he told his team was, don’t don’t tell me anything I don’t want to hear. i There’s no accountability for me. Right. And so I think it’s really important as leaders, that our trusted circles especially have the ability to speak to us with what Ken Scott writes in her book, radical candor that we can say, yeah, great book. And, and if you don’t have radical candor within your team, you’re gonna be really hard pressed to find accountability, because then you’re not able to talk, right?

Michael King 30:43
One of the things that leaders don’t think about enough is, when they have an opportunity to lead a team, they forget that they’re actually being invited into an accountability relationship. Oh, that’s so good. And that’s the thing that like, you know, like everybody, in order for there to be, you know, full transparency. So the the five, the five key things that we talked about when we talk about trust, which by the way, trust is an interesting word, because it’s really subjective, depending on the person that you talk to, you know, like, how do you lose trust? How do you gain trust? How do we, but gaining trust within an organization, being thorough being responsible, being understanding being stable and being transparent? Those pushing these things out there, but also the same time? You can’t actually have an accountable relationship with your team? If those five things don’t exist?

Greg Griffith 31:28
Right. Right. So Oh, that’s really good.

Michael King 31:32
You’ve been really, really great. Thank you so much for making time. If people want to get a hold of you, how do they do that?

Greg Griffith 31:37
Yeah, you can easily get a hold me through social media, Greg Griffiths leads on Instagram or Facebook. My email is really simple. Gigi at kingdom there and so anyway, you can get it through our website, King, as well.

Michael King 31:54
Fantastic to everybody who’s listening if you’re in the Omaha area on a Sunday, I know Greg, I know his people. In fact, the feature music that’s on this podcast is names of that number. So yes, which is one of his worship guys, right?

Greg Griffith 32:06
Yep. Yeah. He’s very, super good early a rockstar. So

Michael King 32:11
is so All right, Patrick, Greg, love you. Appreciate you, bro. Thanks so much, man. Greg did a great job outlining the things that he cares most about, in part of our conversation led to us actually talking about how credibility is the new charisma. So many times we allow our leadership and our Influence Circles to be influenced by people that have the biggest personalities and can talk the big talk and maybe not necessarily walk the big walk. What we’ve known is that simply this is that when you surround yourself by people that are credible that we know their character, and we know specifically that they’re about our organization, then they see our vision, and they understand specifically what our mission is within our organization and they’re loyal, we know that things are going to move forward in a healthy way. So thank you again, Greg, for being with us today. You absolutely did a great job. A special thank you to names without numbers for allowing us to use their music on this podcast, we decided that we only wanted to use music that I’ve produced in the studio as a part of this presentation. So we think that’s pretty cool. Thank you again, guys. Now please remember to LIKE subscribe and follow us on all of our platforms, on social media and on YouTube as well. So you can keep up to date with what we’re doing with executive coaching and teams coaching, keynote speaking, and all of our leadership events. We love having you guys being a part of the journey with us and I don’t want you to miss a thing.